{"id":2821,"date":"2009-12-09T18:56:37","date_gmt":"2009-12-09T23:56:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/?p=2821"},"modified":"2009-12-09T18:56:37","modified_gmt":"2009-12-09T23:56:37","slug":"dessus-et-dessous-de-table","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2009\/12\/dessus-et-dessous-de-table\/","title":{"rendered":"dessus et dessous de table"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Une <a href=\"http:\/\/www.assnat.qc.ca\/Petition\/SignerFr.aspx?idPetition=87\">p\u00e9tition sur le site de l&rsquo;Assembl\u00e9e nationale<\/a>, demande qu&rsquo;une commission soit institu\u00e9e pour <strong>enqu\u00eater sur l&rsquo;industrie de la construction<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Mais comment resserrer les r\u00e8gles d&rsquo;attribution des contrats publics sans changer <strong>la r\u00e8gle du plus bas soumissionnaire<\/strong> ? Je n&rsquo;ai pas suivi ce d\u00e9bat dans les d\u00e9tails, mais ce que j&rsquo;entends porte surtout sur les \u00ab\u00a0dessous de tables\u00a0\u00bb et arrangements qui lient certaines compagnies et des d\u00e9cideurs politiques&#8230; ou encore certaines compagnies et la mafia.<\/p>\n<p>Pourtant des r\u00e8gles tout-\u00e0-fait l\u00e9gales font, \u00e0 mon avis, partie du probl\u00e8me : quand les appels publics se doivent de faire affaire avec les plus bas soumissionnaires, on peut penser \u00e0 premi\u00e8re vue que c&rsquo;est une bonne chose. Mais si ce \u00ab\u00a0plus bas soumissionnaire\u00a0\u00bb est dans les patates, qu&rsquo;il a oubli\u00e9 quelque chose&#8230; ce qui a fait qu&rsquo;il \u00e9tait le plus bas&#8230; Alors ou bien il \u00ab\u00a0mangera ses bas\u00a0\u00bb durant la construction, ou bien il rognera au maximum sur la qualit\u00e9, pour diminuer ses pertes.<\/p>\n<p>Mais pourquoi \u00ab\u00a0le plus bas\u00a0\u00bb alors que, par d\u00e9finition des appels publics visent \u00e0 construire pour la collectivit\u00e9, pour le long terme ? Pourquoi pas le soumissionnaire \u00ab\u00a0moyen\u00a0\u00bb, une fois \u00e9limin\u00e9s les cas extr\u00eames&#8230; Je suis certain que cette r\u00e8gle du plus bas soumissionnaire a caus\u00e9 tellement de probl\u00e8mes que les collusions entre soumissionnaires ont parfois parues <em>un moindre mal<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Mais pour l&rsquo;instant,<strong> signons la p\u00e9tition ! <\/strong>On discutera du mandat pr\u00e9cis de l&rsquo;\u00e9ventuelle commission plus tard !<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Une p\u00e9tition sur le site de l&rsquo;Assembl\u00e9e nationale, demande qu&rsquo;une commission soit institu\u00e9e pour enqu\u00eater sur l&rsquo;industrie de la construction. Mais comment resserrer les r\u00e8gles d&rsquo;attribution des contrats publics sans changer la r\u00e8gle du plus bas soumissionnaire ? Je n&rsquo;ai pas suivi ce d\u00e9bat dans les d\u00e9tails, mais ce que j&rsquo;entends porte surtout sur les &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2009\/12\/dessus-et-dessous-de-table\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continuer la lecture<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> de &laquo;&nbsp;dessus et dessous de table&nbsp;&raquo;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"atmosphere_disabled":false,"atmosphere_custom_text":"","_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[],"tags":[72,131],"class_list":["post-2821","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","tag-democratie","tag-politique"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":2779,"url":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2009\/10\/a-la-chose-publique\/","url_meta":{"origin":2821,"position":0},"title":"collaborer \u00e0 la chose publique","author":"Gilles Beauchamp","date":"22 octobre 2009","format":false,"excerpt":"Ostrom found that individuals will cooperate if, among other things, they are able to participate in governance, monitor the compliance of others, and punish cheaters. \"When people have trust that others are going to reciprocate, then there can be cooperation,\" she says. \"When there is no trust, there is no\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans \"\u00e9conomie\"","block_context":{"text":"\u00e9conomie","link":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/tag\/economie\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":6241,"url":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2020\/01\/petits-et-grands-gestes\/","url_meta":{"origin":2821,"position":1},"title":"petits et grands gestes","author":"Gilles Beauchamp","date":"29 janvier 2020","format":false,"excerpt":"Plusieurs bonnes raisons d\u2019\u00eatre pessimiste en ce d\u00e9but d\u2019ann\u00e9e, d\u00e9but de d\u00e9cennie critique (c\u2019est maintenant ou jamais)\u00a0: ceux qui disent avoir l\u2019avenir de la plan\u00e8te \u00e0 c\u0153ur veulent aussi \u00eatre r\u00e9\u00e9lus, aussi s\u2019empressent-ils de favoriser l\u2019\u00e9talement urbain quand ce n\u2019est pas d\u2019acheter des pipelines ou\u00a0donner des droits d\u2019exploitation de sables\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans \"transition\"","block_context":{"text":"transition","link":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/tag\/transition\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/A_planet_to_win.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":6264,"url":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2020\/03\/difficile\/","url_meta":{"origin":2821,"position":2},"title":"Difficile de parler d\u2019autre chose\u2026","author":"Gilles Beauchamp","date":"18 mars 2020","format":false,"excerpt":"Par d\u00e9finition une crise de sant\u00e9 publique, comme une p\u00e9riode de guerre, chamboule toutes les habitudes, fait taire les vieilles chicanes et conflits politiques pour mobiliser et unir les efforts autour d\u2019une direction concert\u00e9e, centralis\u00e9e. 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