{"id":61,"date":"2005-03-25T13:04:08","date_gmt":"2005-03-25T18:04:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2005\/03\/beau-debat-chez-martine\/"},"modified":"2010-05-06T23:54:54","modified_gmt":"2010-05-07T03:54:54","slug":"beau-debat-chez-martine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2005\/03\/beau-debat-chez-martine\/","title":{"rendered":"beau d\u00e9bat chez Martine"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Apr&egrave;s avoir publi\u00e9 un commentaire sur le <a title=\"La lecture de ce billet pourrait vous stresser : il n'ya pas de commentaires possibles ! \" href=\"http:\/\/bopuc.levendis.com\/weblog\/archives\/-2005\/03\/22\/politically_correct_in_quebec.php\" target=\"_self\">billet d\u00e9sobligeant<\/a> (c&rsquo;est le moins qu&rsquo;on puisse dire) d&rsquo;un certain <strong>bopuc<\/strong>, Martine <a href=\"http:\/\/martinepage.com\/blog\/2005\/03\/23\/my-ironic-day-in-the-blogosphere\/\" target=\"_self\">s&rsquo;indigne avec raison<\/a> que ce commentaire ait \u00e9t\u00e9 effac\u00e9 par le triste blogueur.<\/p>\n<p>Malheureusement, ces deux billets sont en anglais (du c&ocirc;t\u00e9 de <em>bopuc<\/em>, disons que ce sont des refrains que nous avons entendu souvent : la &quot;culture qu\u00e9b\u00e9coise&quot; entre guillemets, les&nbsp;lois linguistiques ridiculis\u00e9es&#8230;) mais ils valent l&rsquo;effort, pour ceux qui ne sont pas <em>fluent<\/em>. Ce qui est tout aussi int\u00e9ressant, ce sont les 31 commentaires que le billet de Martine a suscit\u00e9 ! Eux, par contre, sont en fran&ccedil;ais (la plupart). Bravo Martine, pour ton courage. Je n&rsquo;en dirais pas autant &agrave; certains autres, qui viennent de baisser d&rsquo;un (ou deux) crans dans mon estime.<\/p>\n<p>Juste un point o&ugrave; je diff&egrave;re d&rsquo;opinion avec Martine : l&rsquo;enjeu r\u00e9el de ce d\u00e9bat est bien la relation Canada\/Qu\u00e9bec, et non la libert\u00e9 (ou l&rsquo;ind\u00e9licatesse) d&rsquo;un auteur de blog qui efface des commentaires qui ne lui plaisent pas. Quoiqu&rsquo;elle en dise, si le sujet du billet avait \u00e9t\u00e9 la pluie et le beau temps&#8230; il n&rsquo;y aurait pas eu de d\u00e9bat et elle n&rsquo;aurait probablement pas \u00e9crit de commentaire en partant !<\/p>\n<p>Pour moi c&rsquo;est encore une belle preuve du m\u00e9pris affich\u00e9 par plusieurs canadiens, dont <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.thismagazine.ca\/archives\/2005\/03\/son_of_a_meech.html\" target=\"_self\">certains se disent progressistes<\/a>, en regard du Qu\u00e9bec : on ne reconnait m&ecirc;me pas l&rsquo;existence d&rsquo;une nation&#8230; tout le reste en d\u00e9coule ! Est-ce que les prix G\u00e9nies qu&rsquo;ont raffl\u00e9s les films qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois auraient fait mal &agrave; l&rsquo;\u00e9go canadien et expliquerait en partie cette attaque gratuite ? \ud83d\ude09 <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Apr\u00e8s avoir publi\u00e9 un commentaire sur le billet d\u00e9sobligeant (c&rsquo;est le moins qu&rsquo;on puisse dire) d&rsquo;un certain bopuc, Martine s&rsquo;indigne avec raison que ce commentaire ait \u00e9t\u00e9 effac\u00e9 par le triste blogueur.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"atmosphere_disabled":false,"atmosphere_custom_text":"","_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[],"tags":[26],"class_list":["post-61","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","tag-polis"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":182,"url":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2005\/09\/la-minorite-parlante\/","url_meta":{"origin":61,"position":0},"title":"la minorit\u00e9 parlante","author":"Gilles Beauchamp","date":"3 septembre 2005","format":false,"excerpt":"C'est un constat qu'ont sans doute fait tous les promoteurs de bulletins communautaires ou professionnels, de m\u00e9dias se voulant participatifs : le nombre des r\u00e9pondants \u00e0 l'appel est minime... 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