{"id":6133,"date":"2019-06-25T18:00:50","date_gmt":"2019-06-25T22:00:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/?p=6133"},"modified":"2026-05-08T12:47:08","modified_gmt":"2026-05-08T16:47:08","slug":"de-vieux-debats","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2019\/06\/de-vieux-debats\/","title":{"rendered":"de vieux d\u00e9bats"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Le public et sa participation<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">La place et le r\u00f4le des experts dans nos soci\u00e9t\u00e9s complexes; la participation populaire et comment peut-elle faire le poids devant les experts ? Une question soulev\u00e9e durant les ann\u00e9es \u201920 par Walter Lippmann dans <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bruno-latour.fr\/sites\/default\/files\/downloads\/LIPPMANN-FANTOME-PUBLIC-total-pdf.pdf\">Le public fant\u00f4me<\/a><sup id=\"mfn-content-00000000000008950000000000000000_6133-1\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote modern-footnotes-footnote--hover-on-desktop \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000008950000000000000000_6133\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000008950000000000000000_6133-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">texte int\u00e9gral en ligne<\/span>, un court texte (120 pages) dont la traduction fran\u00e7aise est longuement (40 pages) <b>pr\u00e9fac\u00e9e par Bruno Latour<\/b> qui en souligne la pertinence encore aujourd\u2019hui. La r\u00e9ponse de John Dewey, deux ans plus tard (1927), avec <a href=\"http:\/\/shs.cairn.info\/article\/HERM_031_0077\/pdf\">Le public et ses probl\u00e8mes<\/a>, allait lancer le <i>d\u00e9bat Lippmann-Dewey.<\/i> Un d\u00e9bat que poursuit encore aujourd\u2019hui Barbara Stiegler avec <a href=\"https:\/\/www.leslibraires.ca\/livres\/il-faut-s-adapter-sur-un-barbara-stiegler-9782072757495.html\">\u00ab\u00a0Il faut s\u2019adapter\u00a0\u00bb &#8211; Sur un nouvel imp\u00e9ratif politique<\/a>, paru chez Gallimard, en 2019.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">V\u00e9g\u00e9tarisme et intelligence-conscience animale<\/h3>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"920\" height=\"1308\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/9782757854129_large.jpg\" alt=\"9782757854129_large\" class=\"wp-image-6134\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/9782757854129_large.jpg 920w, https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/9782757854129_large-420x597.jpg 420w, https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/9782757854129_large-744x1058.jpg 744w, https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/9782757854129_large-768x1092.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Je disais dans un&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2019\/05\/humilite-et-ouverture\/\">billet pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent<\/a> : \u00ab&nbsp;Il en aura fallu du temps pour que nous reconnaissions l\u2019intelligence et la sensibilit\u00e9 des autres animaux.&nbsp;\u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Pourtant, c\u2019est un d\u00e9bat aussi vieux que la culture occidentale. \u00c9lisabeth de Fontenay, dans <a href=\"https:\/\/www.leslibraires.ca\/livres\/le-silence-des-betes-la-philosophie-elisabeth-de-fontenay-9782757854129.html\">Le silence des b\u00eates &#8211; la philosophie \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9preuve de l\u2019animalit\u00e9<\/a>, passe en revue les textes classiques de la philosophie, des pr\u00e9socratiques \u00e0 Derrida. Une (longue) s\u00e9rie de courts textes pr\u00e9sentant auteurs, \u00e9poques et d\u00e9bats dans une langue si lumineuse qu\u2019on en oublie la lourdeur du pav\u00e9 de 1055 pages.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3 class=\"modern-footnotes-list-heading \">Notes <\/h3><ul class=\"modern-footnotes-list \"><li id=\"footnote-00000000000008950000000000000000_6133-1\"><span>1<\/span><div>texte int\u00e9gral en ligne <a href=\"#mfn-content-00000000000008950000000000000000_6133-1\" class=\"modern-footnotes-scroll-to-footnote\" aria-label=\"Back to reference 1 in text\">\u21a9\ufe0e<\/a><\/div><\/li><\/ul>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Le public et sa participation La place et le r\u00f4le des experts dans nos soci\u00e9t\u00e9s complexes; la participation populaire et comment peut-elle faire le poids devant les experts ? Une question soulev\u00e9e durant les ann\u00e9es \u201920 par Walter Lippmann dans Le public fant\u00f4me, un court texte (120 pages) dont la traduction fran\u00e7aise &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2019\/06\/de-vieux-debats\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continuer la lecture<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> de &laquo;&nbsp;de vieux d\u00e9bats&nbsp;&raquo;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"atmosphere_disabled":false,"atmosphere_custom_text":"","_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[380,23],"class_list":["post-6133","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-a-lire","tag-philosophie"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":5501,"url":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2016\/06\/theories\/","url_meta":{"origin":6133,"position":0},"title":"des th\u00e9ories pour nos pratiques","author":"Gilles Beauchamp","date":"22 juin 2016","format":false,"excerpt":"Deux \u00e9crits rassemblant des dizaines d'auteurs, du Nord comme du Sud, et une conf\u00e9rence de lancement \u00e0 Montr\u00e9al.","rel":"","context":"Dans \"action collective\"","block_context":{"text":"action collective","link":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/tag\/action-collective\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/IMG_Nous.06.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/IMG_Nous.06.jpg?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/IMG_Nous.06.jpg?resize=525%2C300&ssl=1 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/IMG_Nous.06.jpg?resize=700%2C400&ssl=1 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/IMG_Nous.06.jpg?resize=1050%2C600&ssl=1 3x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/IMG_Nous.06.jpg?resize=1400%2C800&ssl=1 4x"},"classes":[]},{"id":8081,"url":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2025\/04\/savoirs-actions-2\/","url_meta":{"origin":6133,"position":1},"title":"de savoirs et d&rsquo;actions","author":"Gilles Beauchamp","date":"27 avril 2025","format":false,"excerpt":"R\u00e9action spontan\u00e9e (et \u00e9chevel\u00e9e) au billet\u00a0Write the Docs et r\u00e9flexions sur les plateformes d'En commun? de Benjamin Allard, sur\u00a0En commun. 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