{"id":6596,"date":"2021-10-22T16:47:43","date_gmt":"2021-10-22T20:47:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/?p=6596"},"modified":"2022-12-17T15:25:14","modified_gmt":"2022-12-17T20:25:14","slug":"la-saga-des-livres-numeriques","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2021\/10\/la-saga-des-livres-numeriques\/","title":{"rendered":"la saga des livres num\u00e9riques"},"content":{"rendered":"
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En septembre dernier j\u2019ai achet\u00e9 un livre (The Power of Us) au format num\u00e9rique \u00ab Livres \u00bb, de Apple, \u00e0 lire avec l\u2019application du m\u00eame nom. Mais encore une fois, cette version avait la fonction \u00ab copier \u00bb bloqu\u00e9e\u2026 chose que j\u2019ai plus d\u2019une fois remarqu\u00e9 et d\u00e9nonc\u00e9<\/a>. En plus, cette fois, les notes inclues dans le texte se r\u00e9v\u00e9l\u00e8rent toutes vides ! Je d\u00e9cidai donc de d\u00e9poser une plainte \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9diteur.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Le 28 septembre<\/strong>, j’avais r\u00e9ussi \u00e0 trouver une adresse courriel chez l’\u00e9diteur Hachette-USA  o\u00f9 d\u00e9poser ma plainte :<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I have two complaints<\/strong>, after reading a few pages.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

First, the Notes included in the text do not have any content. The only thing we see when clicking on it is the repetition of the number. (see the screen grab attached)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

And Two : When I highlight a line or a phrase, I can’t copy it ! I can only make a note. But it is a good part of the interest of having a digital copy of a book : to be able to comment and work on extracts and citations. <\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I suppose the Amazon version<\/strong> of your book would permit this kind of phrase copying… because I noticed this difference before in other books. <\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Can I ask for a reimbursement of my Apple Books copy so I can buy an Amazon copy to be able to work with it ? And Can I Ask You, as publisher, to signal this very annoying difference in the format of the ebooks, that, nonetheless we pay the same price !<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n

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Le 21 octobre<\/strong> je recevais comme r\u00e9ponse :<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hello Gilles, <\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I am sorry to hear about the difficulty you are experiencing with your Apple version of The Power of Us.  Unfortunately, we are not able to assist with the technical difficulties you are experiencing with Apple. You will need to contact the customer support team at Apple to help resolve your issue or issue a refund.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Thank you,<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Nicole C.
Fulfillment Coordinator
Hachette Book Group<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00c0 quoi je r\u00e9pliquai, dans la journ\u00e9e, avec CC \u00e0 applebooks.apple.com :<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This is really annoying. I thought the publisher would care to know his books were not as useful and correctly rendered in one of the ebook standards where they are published. <\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I am sending this reply to AppleBooks, but I suspect they will simply say that it was the choice (or the error) of the publisher ! Because it is not the Book app that does not permit the copying of a phrase. I have read lots of Books from other publishers in this format that don’t block this function. <\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Thanks for the reply, anyway. <\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gilles Beauchamp<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00c0 quoi, Nicole C. (de Hachette Books) me r\u00e9pondait quelques 30 minutes plus tard :<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I apologize, Gilles. I understood it to be an Apple specific issue only. I am sending this along to our team that handles ebook files to ask them to review. <\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Entre temps j’avais d\u00e9pos\u00e9 deux \u00ab questions \u00bb sur les forums d’usagers de Apple, en fran\u00e7ais et en anglais.:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Copier un mot ou une phrase dans l’application Livres<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Il m’est arriv\u00e9 d’acheter un livre au format Livres o\u00f9 je peux souligner des mots, une phrase, mais ne peut la copier (la fonction \u00ab\u00a0copie\u00a0\u00bb n’est pas activ\u00e9e). Ce que je trouve tr\u00e8s ennuyeux car je travaille avec ces livres et je veux en citer des extraits… J’ai trouv\u00e9 cela tellement ennuyeux que j’ai d\u00fb acheter le m\u00eame livre chez Amazon, et l\u00e0 la fonction \u00ab\u00a0copier\u00a0\u00bb n’\u00e9tait pas bloqu\u00e9e.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

Comment expliquer cela ? Est-ce l’\u00e9diteur qui d\u00e9cide de bloquer cette fonction ? Est-ce Apple qui ne permet pas la copie (d’un mot, une phrase – pas du livre en entier ? J’ai \u00e9crit \u00e0 l’\u00e9diteur (Hachette) la derni\u00e8re fois que cela m’est arriv\u00e9, et on m’a r\u00e9pondu qu’il fallait m’adresser au responsable de l’application, soit Apple.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Devrais-je \u00e9liminer tout achat d’un livre dans le format Livres \u00e0 l’avenir ? Pourtant je peux lire certaines publications avec l’application Livres de Apple sans que la fonction \u00ab\u00a0copier\u00a0\u00bb soit bloqu\u00e9e. Il faudrait au moins que cette limitation soit apparente avant l’achat !<\/strong><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Merci,<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Un lecteur frustr\u00e9 de devoir toujours acheter ses livres chez Amazon !!<\/em>
Quelques 245 titres sur les <\/em>1450 livres de ma biblioth\u00e8que<\/em><\/a> sont num\u00e9riques.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Copying a phrase in Books<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Some books I bought in Apple Books format can\u2019t be copied (the function \u00ab copy \u00bb is greyed), but for the SAME BOOK bought in Amazon, the copy function is operating.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I know because I bought two versions of a book a few times : when I want to work with a book, it is pretty annoying not to be able to copy a citation.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The last time I bought a book in Apple\u2019s format that blocked the copy, I contacted the publisher: it was Hachette. They finally answer my complaint: it is the app\u2019s fault !<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

But it is not all the Books read in the Apple\u2019s app that have this limitation, so\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

And why a publisher would decide to limit an Apple version of his book and not limit it in the Amazon version ?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

At first I thought it was a gimmick from Amazon\u2026 I am, finally, buying most of my books in Amazon\u2019s format because of the limitation of the Apple\u2019s format.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Or\u2026 is it another kind of limitation : a kind of counter limiting the proportion of copy you can make in Amazon\u2019s books (I was told) that doesn\u2019t exist in Apple\u2019s format\u2026 and the publisher would block the copy function to prevent too much copying ? <\/em>Is it ?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

please can somebody enlighten me ?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gilles<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Finalement, comme je le disais en fin de l’\u00e9valuation de la transaction avec Apple — qui fut tr\u00e8s r\u00e9active dans sa r\u00e9ponse : moins de 24 heure :<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab\u00a0j’ai \u00e9t\u00e9 rembours\u00e9 pour un livre, OK. Mais le fait que le livre au format Apple (Livres app) soit moins utile et convivial (la copie du texte interdite) que le format Kindle reste inexpliqu\u00e9 et ennuyeux : je suis oblig\u00e9 d’aller vers UN SEUL FOURNISSEUR : AMAZON. \u00ab\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n

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En conclusion de cette histoire : j\u2019ai \u00e9t\u00e9 rembours\u00e9 (rapidement) par Apple mais, apr\u00e8s avoir achet\u00e9 une copie Kindle du m\u00eame titre, j\u2019ai pu constater (encore une fois) que la fonction \u00ab copier \u00bb n\u2019y est pas bloqu\u00e9e.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pourquoi donc ? J\u2019esp\u00e8re qu\u2019un utilisateur sur les forums d\u2019Apple pourra me r\u00e9pondre\u2026 Ou le service technique de Hachette ? Qui sait, d\u2019ici No\u00ebl je recevrai peut-\u00eatre une r\u00e9ponse ?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

En septembre dernier j\u2019ai achet\u00e9 un livre (The Power of Us) au format num\u00e9rique \u00ab Livres \u00bb, de Apple, \u00e0 lire avec l\u2019application du m\u00eame nom. Mais encore une fois, cette version avait la fonction \u00ab copier \u00bb bloqu\u00e9e\u2026 chose que j\u2019ai plus d\u2019une fois remarqu\u00e9 et d\u00e9nonc\u00e9. En plus, cette fois, les notes inclues dans le texte se … <\/p>\n

Continuer la lecture de « la saga des livres num\u00e9riques »<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":6812,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"atmosphere_disabled":false,"atmosphere_custom_text":"","_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[57,275],"class_list":["post-6596","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-bibliophilie","tag-numerique"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/0F62574D-47EF-48E6-ABAC-EDEA7A0600C2-scaled.jpeg","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":3408,"url":"https:\/\/gillesenvrac.ca\/carnet\/2010\/09\/numerique\/","url_meta":{"origin":6596,"position":0},"title":"la rentr\u00e9e num\u00e9rique","author":"Gilles Beauchamp","date":"21 septembre 2010","format":false,"excerpt":"Le quart des livres de la rentr\u00e9e fran\u00e7aise sont disponibles en format num\u00e9rique. 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